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josepzin

Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64
« en: Diciembre 09, 2012, 21:14:02 »
Ponemos aquí dos guías de fallos, una visual y la otra descriptiva.

1 - Guía de fallos con fotos de pantallas: http://derbian.webs.com/c64diag/

2 - Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64: http://personalpages.tds.net/~rcarlsen/cbm/c64/c64-ic.txt

C64 CHIPS and COMMON SYMPTOMS
latest additions and corrections: 11-18-2012

U1 906108-02 (6526) CIA
Startup screen normal, but no cursor. No keyboard or control port access but cartridge works. Partial failure: some keys or joystick positions don't work, one character appears ahead of startup cursor or
random characters appear at startup. Blank screen if chip is shorted (remove to check) and chip may get hot to the touch.

U2 906108-02 (6526) CIA
Startup screen normal. No serial or user port access. "File not found" error when drive accessed. Cartridge works. Characters may show as blocks on startup screen.

U3 901226-01 BASIC ROM
Blank screen w/ border. Cartridge works.

U4 901227-03 (early -02) KERNAL ROM
Blank screen, no border. Most cartridges don't work but a few game carts (example: CBM Kickman and Jupiter Lander) will work with a normal screen because they bypass the Kernal ROM.

U5 901225-01 CHARACTER ROM
Normal startup border, but "garbage" characters where startup page characters should be. Cartridge works.

U6 2114 SRAM (COLOR RAM)
Startup screen shows flickering characters with shimmering colors.
Check also PLA U17.

U7 906107-01 (6510) MPU
Blank screen, no border. Cartridge doesn't work.

U8 7406 LOGIC CHIP
Blank screen. Partial failure: drive access problems: drive resets but "device not present" error.

U9 THRU U12 & U22 THRU U24 8 RAM CHIPS (4164)
note: only 2 4464 RAM chips in C64C
Blank screen, no border. Shorted chips will get warmer than the other RAM chips. Partial failure: will sometimes produce "garbage" screen, abnormal number of bytes free or "out of memory" error on startup screen.

U13 74LS257APC or A or AN but not PC  (alt MOS7708) LOGIC
Blank screen, less than 38911 bytes free at startup or "garbage" screen. Don't use NS or TI chip as replacement... it will not work.

U14 74LS258   LOGIC
Blank screen.

U15 74LS139   LOGIC
Blank screen

U16 CD4066 (generic CMOS quad bilateral switch)
Color problems such as random color "checkerboard" pattern on screen or no color.

U17 906114-01 (82S100PLA) PLA
Blank screen, no border. It can produce colored screen or flashing color garbage instead of startup screen. It can cause intermittant loss of cursor, screen freeze and/or program crashes after warmup and it can put random characters on screen. This chip normally runs hot. It is the most common chip to fail in the C64 and it should run no hotter than the SID.

U18  906112-01 (6581) SID            
Normal screen. No sound or garbled sound. Mouse or graphics tablet pointer stuck or jitters. If shorted, can cause blank or "garbage" screen.
NOTE: computer will work without a SID plugged in (unplug to check). This chip normally runs hot.

U19 906109-04 (6567) VIC (PAL version is 6569)      
Blank screen (may be light or dark) with no border. Sometimes will produce garbage or "checkerboard" screen, or screen that lacks contrast.
If screen is blank or garbled from bad VIC, "blind" disk commands from keyboard may still work.

U20 556 LOGIC, TIMER
Blank screen. Computer will not reset, or RESTORE doesn't work.

U25 74LS257APC or AN or A but not PC  (alt MOS7708) LOGIC
Blank screen, "garbage" screen or less than 38911 bytes at startup.
Don't use NS or TI chip as replacement... it will not work.

U26 74LS373 LOGIC
Startup screen has normal border, but characters are scrambled.

U27 74LS08 (or MOS7712) LOGIC
Normal startup border, but screen full of "garbage" characters.

U28 CD4066 (generic CMOS quad bilateral switch)
Normal startup screen. Proportional mouse or graphics tablet doesn't work in one or both control (joystick) ports.

U29 74LS74 LOGIC, DIVIDER
Startup screen shows normal characters in multicolored "rainbow".

U31 8701 MASTER OSC. (Some C64s use 74LS629N w/ support logic)   
Blank white screen, no border. Normal "whine" in nearby AM radio will be missing if the oscillator is not running. Check also VIC U19

U32 4044 CMOS LOGIC
No monitor picture, just diagonal lines on screen.

POWER PACK:
Can produce many problems like blank screen (red LED on, dim, or off), program lock-up, "garbage" screen, hum bars moving on screen, hum in audio, damaged RAM or other chips, intermittant operation after warmup, etc.

Ray Carlsen CET
CARLSEN ELECTRONICS
« última modificación: Abril 30, 2016, 21:42:23 por josepzin »
 

marcos64

Re:Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64
« Respuesta #1 en: Diciembre 10, 2012, 10:41:14 »
Mejor pon el enlace a su pagina dedicada a la reparacion de material Commodore, porque tiene muchisima mas informacion relacionada con el 64, 64C, 128, 128D, 1541, 1571, C16, VIC20....

Pagina I-M-P-R-E-S-C-I-N-D-I-B-L-E  ;)

http://personalpages.tds.net/~rcarlsen/cbm.html
http://marcos64.orgfree.com/
Actualizacion 22/4/2018: Actualizada Load'N'Run numero 5 con nuevos TAPs y PRGs.
 

Jeff

Re:Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64
« Respuesta #2 en: Diciembre 21, 2012, 21:35:06 »
Buenas,

Me gustaría adjuntar la misma guía, pero un poco mas grafica. :o

Salu2!
Press ANY key (¿Donde esta la tecla ANY???)
 

josepzin

Re:Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64
« Respuesta #3 en: Diciembre 21, 2012, 21:42:40 »
Genial :)
 

josepzin

Re:Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64
« Respuesta #4 en: Octubre 17, 2014, 14:36:20 »
En esta web venden chips de C64 > http://elettrosurplus.com
 

josepzin

Re:Guía de los fallos mas comunes del C64
« Respuesta #5 en: Abril 30, 2016, 21:43:02 »
He agregado al primer hilo la web de errores con fotos de pantallas: http://derbian.webs.com/c64diag/
 

Dany

La Guia de los Males del C64
« Respuesta #6 en: Abril 18, 2018, 23:26:23 »
Para saber que puñetas le pasa a tu ordenador con tan sólo mirar su pantalla...

https://t.co/OfXvuQEHkW
« última modificación: Abril 18, 2018, 23:31:23 por Dany Quest »
 

marcos64

Re:La Guia de los Males del C64
« Respuesta #7 en: Abril 19, 2018, 10:31:16 »
No es demasiado util porque segun la revision de la placa los chips tienen diferente nombre (los UX). Aun asi es una ayuda.
http://marcos64.orgfree.com/
Actualizacion 22/4/2018: Actualizada Load'N'Run numero 5 con nuevos TAPs y PRGs.
 

Dany

Re:La Guia de los Males del C64
« Respuesta #8 en: Abril 19, 2018, 10:41:17 »
Cuantas placas diferentes hubo? una por modelo?
 

marcos64

Re:La Guia de los Males del C64
« Respuesta #9 en: Abril 19, 2018, 15:03:47 »
Asi de memoria por lo menos 6 o 7.
http://marcos64.orgfree.com/
Actualizacion 22/4/2018: Actualizada Load'N'Run numero 5 con nuevos TAPs y PRGs.